Well…there has been a long running thread over at Kos this morning about people that leave their cars/trucks running when there is no need for it…and I have bitched about the guy last spring that left his diesel F-350 idling in 60 degree weather at the coffee shop for a half hour that damn near choked me…but, I guess all of them have new cars that instantly defog or defreeze the inside of their windshields. In the last two cars I’ve owned…my 93 MX-6 and my Miata, if you try to just start them up and drive them when it is below freezing, you get a layer of ice on the INSIDE of the windshield that you have to use a scraper to get off to be able to see…and it re-fogs and re-freezes about every 30 seconds after you do clean it until the car warms up. so, I think I made myself a pariah over there by pouring a little water on the self-righteous indignation…now, if I lived in a warmer climate…there would probably be no need to warm it up…except that it shifts better when it’s warm…will probably be attacked pretty quick so I need to go back over there and wait for it to happen….